Hi, Techsus. I do wish I could have talked my friend into a Toyota. I feel they're so much more reliable. (Sure wish I could have selected a Toyota last Spring because I don't swap cars blithely... Honda's sensor packaging was just the issue for me for the reasons I mentioned. I'd have been more comfortable with the Toyota dealership, too.) Anyway, I took her test driving back in the Summer and she tried the new C-HR and the Corolla iM. I remember she liked the turning radius; I am trying to remember why she didn't like that C-HR. (The Rav-4 is too big to fit in her garage. More car than she wants.) Hmm. I think she read somewhere something about the power going over the hill she has to climb daily in her commute. Now, it's not Donner Pass but it's steep and hard on the cars over time and I believe she's read that the Toyotas won't have as much power over that hill as the Honda. ( I may have that wrong and have confused her comparison of the Mazda3 and Civic. Will check.) She's coming from a small sporty Acura hatchback, about 10years old unless I lost track, got about 220k miles on it, been very reliable. But they don't have a hatchback to offer anymore. I think she thinks the Honda is going to be as reliable; my opinion is it's not going to be. It's too bad I didn't discover Scotty Kilmer and his forum to ask until she was about to bite the bullet -- she's working hard on closing a deal this month. There aren't many of the new Civic hatchbacks in our area of the country yet either, so getting someone to bring them in at a decent price isn't happening. Of course, all that said, the Mazda3's a fun car to drive and I've known a good many people who keep cars the way we do and have had good luck with them. On the plus side, she will maintain it very diligently and there is a good foreign car garage available to her.