Scotty, Just discovered your Youtube channel and am recommending it to all my friends and family! …

RW04

Scotty, Just discovered your Youtube channel and am recommending it to all my friends and family! I'm helping a friend shop for a car. Soliciting quotes as we speak, hope to get a good deal by Tuesday/end of month. 2018. Hatchback. Either a Honda Civic EX-L, or a Mazda 3, Grand Touring. She likes the interior of the Honda better but thinks she can get used to the Mazda's quirky retro display and the Mazda drives better. Could you give us your opinion of the long term durability and reliability? (I just bought a Honda and am thinking they're slipping.) This will be a higher mileage car, kept into old age. The local Mazda dealer has poor service but after warranty there is a decent foreign car garage here. Thanks!

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RW04
RW04

Update -- well, don't know how much you want to know but I didn't get to your site in time, Scotty, and my friend bought the Mazda3 today. I hope she gets good service out of it. I must say, it's a lovely little car. Lots to like. The user interface and programming of the electronics is a lot easier to use, laid out and designed a lot better than my Honda. (Which is not very intuitive, in fact it has a huge learning curve and features that are bugs.) This Mazda is a lot easier to learn! And you can change settings with the joystick control -- my Honda only lets you change things with the touch screen for almost all of it other than climate and the volume/on/off knob for audio. A real design flaw imo.

RW04
RW04

Sorry I can't make this insert any carriage returns. Harder to read all that blurb at once.

RW04
RW04

Hi, Techsus. I do wish I could have talked my friend into a Toyota. I feel they're so much more reliable. (Sure wish I could have selected a Toyota last Spring because I don't swap cars blithely... Honda's sensor packaging was just the issue for me for the reasons I mentioned. I'd have been more comfortable with the Toyota dealership, too.) Anyway, I took her test driving back in the Summer and she tried the new C-HR and the Corolla iM. I remember she liked the turning radius; I am trying to remember why she didn't like that C-HR. (The Rav-4 is too big to fit in her garage. More car than she wants.) Hmm. I think she read somewhere something about the power going over the hill she has to climb daily in her commute. Now, it's not Donner Pass but it's steep and hard on the cars over time and I believe she's read that the Toyotas won't have as much power over that hill as the Honda. ( I may have that wrong and have confused her comparison of the Mazda3 and Civic. Will check.) She's coming from a small sporty Acura hatchback, about 10years old unless I lost track, got about 220k miles on it, been very reliable. But they don't have a hatchback to offer anymore. I think she thinks the Honda is going to be as reliable; my opinion is it's not going to be. It's too bad I didn't discover Scotty Kilmer and his forum to ask until she was about to bite the bullet -- she's working hard on closing a deal this month. There aren't many of the new Civic hatchbacks in our area of the country yet either, so getting someone to bring them in at a decent price isn't happening. Of course, all that said, the Mazda3's a fun car to drive and I've known a good many people who keep cars the way we do and have had good luck with them. On the plus side, she will maintain it very diligently and there is a good foreign car garage available to her.

Techsus
Techsus

Hi RW04, any chance you could talk your friend into a Toyota? I have owned Toyotas my whole life. Love the RAV4 for an everyday driver car. Toyota is so reliable and you can DIY work on a lot of features in older models.

RW04
RW04

The voice of experience. Much obliged and passing it on. Hoping a Honda dealer will come thru with a car before she takes the plunge with a Mazda then. Not too many Civic Hatchbacks, especially with the Sensing package, it seems. You'd think they would be more popular. Toyota got out 2 new hatchbacks in the last year or so, so there must be demand for hatchbacks on the market. My feeling about the sensors -- blind spot monitoring, cross traffic, lane departure type -- is that soon they're going to be standard equipment. Not having them will date a car. And for those who keep our cars a long time, it's worth trying to make sure those sensors are included if we can afford them. I know they've kept me from several accidents already in my new CR-V, especially with such dismal visibility in the rear. Also, the sensors are very helpful for those of us who are aging with reducing eyesight and reaction times. I chose a Honda over a Rav4 because I could afford all the sensors in the new CR-V where I'd have to go up to a luxury trim model in the Toyota. Otherwise I'd be in a Toyota today. I have a feeling they're the most reliable. But my friend doesn't like the two new Toyota hatchbacks. So it's down to a Mazda or Honda.

ScottyKilmer
ScottyKilmer

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Thanks. get the honda, mazda are no where near as good in the long run. yes, their are weaker in the new models, but no where near as low as mazda historically